Hugh de Montfort - Hugues II de Montfort (died 1083)

This is a follow up to the notes from 2014.

This link is to a complete list of lands owned by Hugues (II) de Montfort-sur-Risle following 1066.

https://domesday.pase.ac.uk/Domesday?op=5&personkey=39088

Hugues is given many titles pertaining to Dover, including warden of Dover Castle. To be sure, Hugues died shortly after 1088 but it was not for 100 years did King Henry begin construction of what one now sees as Dover Castle. Prior to that as early as 1066 there was an oversized chapel but nothing remains of that now. There was due to archeological discoveries what was probably a hilltop fort, but nothing more, giving rise to the title bestowed on Hugues by Etienne Pattou; Châtelain du fort de Douvres.

See this inkfor further discussion of the history of Dover Castle: https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/dover-castle/histo...

But to stay simple here I have titled Hugues lord of Dover.

There is also what appears to be an error in the Wikipedia article on Hugues. Wikipedia says”... In return, Hugh was installed at William's fortress at Winchester, and he received numerous holdings in Essex, Kent, Norfolk and Suffolk.[3]“

However Cawley at MEDLANDS provides the original Latin as “ Orderic Vitalis records that King William installed “Guillermum Osberni filium” at his new fortress at Winchester (“intra mœnia Guentæ”) and appointed him “vice sua toti regno versus Aquilonem”, while he granted “Doveram...totamque Cantiam” to “Odoni fratri suo”, and thus he entrusted “his duobus præfecturam Angliæ”, seconded by “Hugonem de Grentemaisnilio et Hugonem de Monteforti, Guillelmumque de Garenna”, dated to 1067[1776].”

This translates roughly as Oderic Vitalis reports that King William established Guillermum Osberni filium” at his new fortress at Winchester and title him vice regent of the whole of the North, and all of Dover and Kent to his brother Odo, and that these appointments were “ seconded by" Hugo Grentemaisnilio and Hugh de Montfort, Guillelmumque de Garenne ", dated to 1067” from Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber IV, I, p. 167.

This means that Hugues did not get Winchester, but seconded the nomination of Guillermum Osberni for that position in his capacity as constable of England.

Private User Asks

I am contacting you about this profile: https://www.geni.com/people/Hugues-I-Barbatus-seigneur-de-Montfort-... Is Hugh I "Barbatus" DeMontfort the same person?

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167705658/hugues-le_barbu_bricq...

Hi Jeri,
Yes I believe that they are the same person but this profile has the parentage reversed, Hugh is the son of Thurstan, not the father. I also see another duplicate for Hugh. Let me work on this a bit and I’ll get back to you.

Hi Jeri,
I merged the two profiles in question, good catch. But I disconnected him from his parents and his children so as not to create additional duplicates. This profile was added in 2008 by someone who no longer appears active.

There are multiple other branches on Geni that should be merged into this branch, the question of the parent of Thurstan being Anselm needs to be resolved, etc., lots of work to be done in this area. One of theses branches seems to be added by David Prins who is a curator and still active. If you were inclined to want to work through this branch I’m sure David would help.

Unfortunately I’m tied up on another project for a time and can’t work through this now. I do recall that there is a book I used that well defines the genealogy of de Bricqebec which would be helpful, I’ll try to recall the title.

Private User - I think you or Pam Wilson (on hiatus) are the best people to work on these families.

I'll be glad to help a bit, if you do have reliable sources.