Judith von Öhningen - Circular relationships

Started by Alex Moes on Thursday, June 19, 2014
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6/19/2014 at 3:12 AM

Mihaly,

Judith is the step sister of her own father and seems to have married her own son?
I suspect that at least one husband is incorrect also (Aalbert de Metz)

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6/19/2014 at 5:16 AM

@Judith von Ohningen is my 32 grt grandmother her is my link to herhttp://www.geni.com/path/Judy+Rice+is+related+to+Judith+von+%C3%96h... and her husband Ludwig Von Dagsburg is mt 32grt grandfatherher is my linkhttp://www.geni.com/path/Judy+Rice+is+related+to+Ludwig+von+Dagsbur... Judy Rice

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6/19/2014 at 5:17 AM

@Judith von Ohningen is my 32 grt grandmother her is my link to herhttp://www.geni.com/path/Judy+Rice+is+related+to+Judith+von+%C3%96h... and her husband Ludwig Von Dagsburg is mt 32grt grandfatherher is my linkhttp://www.geni.com/path/Judy+Rice+is+related+to+Ludwig+von+Dagsbur... Judy Rice

6/19/2014 at 7:00 AM

I severed her from "husband" Aalbert but then got distracted and somehow ended up looking at welsh kings (via Henry II)??

6/19/2014 at 8:13 AM

This area of the tree is famously one of the most confusing and contentious in medieval genealogy. There are quite a few different solutions to the problems presented by the sources.

This piece from MedLands gives just part of the problem.

"The relationship between Judith and Adalbero, son of Siegfried Count of Luxembourg, has not been established. "Amita" suggests that Judith was his paternal aunt, sister of Siegfried. However, it is not clear from the document whether it was Judith or her husband who was the blood relation of Adalbero. "Avunculus" suggests that Adalbert was Adalbero's maternal uncle. However, this cannot be correct as Adalbert's brother Gerhard is recorded as having married Siegfried's daughter Eva, who would have been his niece."

This area could be sorted out, but I think it might be better to wait until Geni has relationship locking. There are also problems with the surround profiles. Users working in this area won't know that making simple and obvious "corrections" in one part will throw off everything else.

3/20/2016 at 9:04 PM

Despite Justin's warning above I would like to suggest that we disconnect Judith from her "husband" Ludwig von Dagsburg.

Cawley @ Medlands does not link these people in anyway and the only "evidence" i can see in the profiles is in Judith's About where the website http://www.mathematical.com/ohningenjudith.html is quoted, however this data lacks any internal consistency (Judith's parents are apparently 2 and 4 years old when she is born) so can't be relied on to have anything else correct.

3/20/2016 at 10:39 PM

Doesn't matter to me. As I said, this is famously one of the most contentious in medieval genealogy. There are three or four or five plausible reconstructions. There is almost nothing you can do that won't mess up the area.

(The citation is not something I added, but it's one possibility. Ignore the dates. I don't know why people insist on inventing dates or why other people think anyone should take them seriously.)

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