Amice / Avicia de Clare, of Gloucester - Spanner in the works

Yes, yes. Clere not Clare. I could have saved you some pain on this one. I remember when the light dawned for me. Two weeks of cussing ;)

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So anyway this is Avice/Avicia de CLERE: Amice or Avicia de Plumpton

I'm not sure where she fits into the overall Clere puzzle either, as the line in Sinnington, Yorkshire seems to have fizzled out (though she could always bve an undocumented daughter - they weren't big on keeping track of daughters who didn't marry Important Titles), and there was another Ormesby in Norfolk which had another Clere family - connection undetermined.

I could probably help, but info is on another computer. It will be a few days. If you can sort out the line easily, go ahead. If not I can probably help, having been through the pain. I think one of these discussions at SGM was my jumping off point:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medi...

I can get the Avicias separated - I've laid the groundwork for that.