Blanche Arderne - Possible conflict of sources

From Colin Henshaw

I followed up the references and found the following

Earwacker:

Eustace Arderne, de Watford, of Watford Northamptonshire
Sir John Arderne, son of Eustace Arderne, m d of Richard de Aldford.
Sir Walkelyn Arderne, son of Sir John Arderne m Agnes Orreby d of Phillip Orreby and Leuca Montalt d of Roger Montalt ad Cicely, d of the Earl of Arundel (Geni has Nicole de Rising, but Cicely d’Albini is also credited ).

Sir Peter Arderne, son of Sir Walkelyn Arderne and Agnes Orreby
John de Arderne son of Sir Peter Arderne, Knt, m Margery daughter of Griffin ap Madog.
Peter Arderne son of John Arderne m Cicely Bredbury, d of Adam and Cicely de Bredbury.

No mention of Blanche.

Archaeologia Cambrensis, Vol XIV, 4th Series, 1883, p․ 70

Sir William Stanley of Stanley Stourton and Hooton married Margery or Blanche, daughter of Sir John Arderne, of Harwarden or Harden

What is not confirmed is the parentage of Blanche. Yes, she did marry Sir William Stanley. Sir John Arderne, the father of Peter Arderne is too early to be Blanches father. So there is a generation gap, Peter Arderne did have a son also called Sir John Arderne but there is no mention of him having a daughter called Blanche.

Private User, so you have an opinion? Should we go ahead and separate the wife of Sir William Stanley, Knt., of Hooton from parentage as Cecily de Bredbury & Sir Peter Arderne, Kt.

The most recent comment from Stirnet: “… seems confusion regarding the Margery or Blanche who married William Stanley of Hooton. We hope to investigate these matters further in due course.”

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Arderne-1 Has her “uncertainly” as daughter of Sir John de Arderne son of Peter & Cecily. (In other words, a generation younger.)

I found a citation at:

East Cheshire: Past and Present: Or, A History of the Hundred of ..., Volume 1 By John Parsons Earwaker. Page 474.

https://books.google.com/books?id=VwMcAQAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redi...

Blanche de Arderne, daughter of Peter de Ardene of Alvanley (d. Bef 1378/9) & his wife Cicely, heiress of Adam de Bredbury.

Married to William Stanley of Hootoml in Wirral, co. Cheshire (Visit. of Chesh., 1566)

I’ll take a screenshot.

Erica Howton, that citation is from 1877. I like Stirnet’s assessment.

Works for me.

Added note at the top of the “about”:

Parents

“there also seems confusion regarding the Margery or Blanche who married William Stanley of Hooton. We hope to investigate these matters further in due course.” Detached as daughter of Sir Peter Arderne, Kt. & Cecily de Bredbury 30 March 2024.

And “Parents uncertain” in the curator note, with a relationship lock.

excellent.

https://www.twentytrees.co.uk/History/England/Paternal/Arderne.html

Eustace Arden
Born 1140

Father: Eustace Arden
Eustace Arden
Born 1165
Died 1213 (48)

Father: Eustace Arden
John Arden
Born 1185
Died 1238 (53

)
Father: John Arden
Wakelin Arden
Born 1220
Married Agnes Orreby x 1
Died 1265 (45)

Father: Wakelin Arden
Mother: Agnes Orreby
Peter Arden
Born 1241
Died 12 Sep 1292 (51)

Father: Peter Arden
John Arden
Born 1266
Died 01 Jun 1308 (42)

Father: John Arden
John Arderne brother of Peter Arderne and Margery Arderne
Born 1300
Married Joan Stockport
Died 1349 (49)

Father: John Arderne
Peter Arderne brother of Thomas Arderne
Born 1323 Born 1337 before March 12th 1369
Died 1379 (56) m Catherine Stafford x1
Died June 24th 1391

Thomas Arderne, son of John Arderne, born 1300 died 1349 had according to this source two children:

John Arderne
9 x Great Grand Son of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England
Born 12 Mar 1369
1413 m Margaret Pilkington x 1
Died Jun 1408 (39)

Blanche Arderne
Born 12 Mar 1386
Married William Stanley of Hooton x 1
Died 1429 (42)

Erica Howton — the source you cite above is one of the most frustrating sources I have ever seen.

The genealogy on the site has no citations. Whatsoever.

When I go to the home page, I see that there are links to medieval texts, translated into English.

When I search on the author of the site, I discover that he has translated three medieval texts into English, from the Latin of 19th century editions (medieval Latin is HARD). Also apparently a translation of a French text, but that’s not on Amazon.

The publisher of the three volumes from the Latin is “Medieval Texts Translated,” which is not a publishing house I can find anywhere, and I think these are self published — they are not, at any rate, from a scholarly press, and the language of the introductions is certainly good, but it’s not scholarly, in how it’s put together. (I don’t mean Big and Annoying Words. I mean, the way we say things.)

At any rate. I don’t know what to make of all this, but I know that there is no backing up of any of the genealogy.

lordy.