Abilene Cooley - 9th vs. 10th great grand aunt ?

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Look at the profile - it shows her as married to both Samuel Chapin & Japhet Chapin.

Which is correct?

I show that she married Japhet Chapin and had 4 children: Sarah, Thomas, Hannah & Jonathan. I show Deacon Samuel Chapin as Japhet;s father.

Hi Sharon

That was very helpful - for someone else. :).

You're still showing as 10th great niece

http://www.geni.com/path/Abilenah+Abilene+Chapin+Cooley+is+related+...

Can you "step through" each of the links in that path and examine for tree conflicts, extra spouses, etc.?

I will also post fhe Sarah Baldwin path in case there's an issue on that side.

http://www.geni.com/path/Sharon+Lynn+Vik+is+related+to+Sarah+Baldwi...

She's still your 9th great grandmother.

So - let's compare the statements & see if there are discrepancies.

I did "refresh" the path and ask it to recalculate after I moved over the wrong husband, so that wasn't the problem ....

I'm now testing using your cousin Fay Elizabeth Baldwin

Peter Coley is Fay Elizabeth Baldwin's 8th great uncle!
http://www.geni.com/path/Fay+Elizabeth+Baldwin+is+related+to+Peter+...

Sarah Baldwin (Coley) is Fay Elizabeth Baldwin's 7th great grandmother
http://www.geni.com/path/Fay+Elizabeth+Baldwin+is+related+to+Sarah+...

Yup - this is just ... bizarre. I see nothing wrong.

OK - I think this might be a general "terminology change" in Geni -- and one I find odd too.

I just tested with my own 8th great grandmother - it's a sedate line, no recent merges

Abigail Reade
Abigail Reade (Rice) is your 8th great grandmother

Paul Rice
Paul Rice is your 9th great uncle.

Elizabeth Billings
Elizabeth Lamson (Rice) is your 9th great aunt.

[54] is this a change in the Geni program?

sorry was trying to tag Mike Stangel - the names of relationships have changed. My 8th great grandmother's brother shows as 9th great uncle instead of 8th great uncle.

I tested using the http://www.geni.com/projects/HistoryLink/14021 application and the (confusing) terminology change reflected there as well.

https://archive.org/stream/baldwingenealogy00bald#page/482/mode/2up. pg 482...

CC. Baldwin says Sarah (Coley) Baldwin was dau. of BENJAMIN COLEY...

Same situation here....Sarah (Coley) Baldwin is my 7th great grandmother, BUT her sister Abilene/Abelenah is my 8th great aunt...and the other siblins are also 8th.

I have no particular knowledge of the Coley family beyond the association with Baldwin....and the change to a different father (Benjamin Coley) would not account for the discrepancy....

I will notify the Curator (or maybe Erica can take care) of the error on death.....she died 1711, not 1710....she was aged 68.

The only other thing that MAY account for it (tho not likely) is that CC notes that Boltwood's "History of Hadley" had Sarah Coley as 2nd wife, with a first of Elizabeth ---...and Elizabeth mother of some of the children, with Sarah the mother of Samuel and the last Hannah.....

This is the only thing that contradicts the info that is now showing on Geni (besides the father of Sarah).

https://archive.org/stream/baldwingenealogy00bald#page/532/mode/2up. pg 533.

A DIFFERENT: SARAH COOLEY, Cooley, who married Wetmore Baldwin....of Granville, Mass.

Sarah Coley vs Sarah Cooley....2 different people.

You may note that the person who did the memorial on Japhat/Japhet Chapin is a Barbara Chapin....

Perhaps contacting her (if possible) may shed some light on this situation, in regards to whether Abilene is truly sister of the Sarah Coley who married Joseph Baldwin Jr. or is she from the Cooley family....

Sarah Baldwin (Coley)
Father should be: Benjamin Coley per Baldwin Geneology:
https://archive.org/stream/baldwingenealogy00bald#page/482/mode/2up

Sarah Baldwin (Cooley)
Married to Wetmore Baldwin has different parents.

I have added the line back to the Cooley family immigrants for her.

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Siblings for Abilenah Chapin

1. Peter Cooley, b. 25 Apr 1641, Milford, New Haven County, CT, d. 31 Mar 1690, Fairfield, Fairfield County, CT
2. Abilene Cooley, b. 12 Mar 1641/1642, Milford, New Haven County, CT, d. 17 Nov 1710, Springfield, Hampden County, MA
3. Samuel Cooley, Jr., b. 16 Feb 1645, Milford, New Haven County, CT, d. Aft 1714
4. Sarah Cooley, b. 24 Sep 1648, Milford, New Haven County, CT Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 30 Sep 1689, Springfield, Hampden County, MA
5. Mary Cooley, b. 23 Nov 1651, Milford, New Haven County, CT , d. 1705
6. Hannah Cooley, b. 10 Oct 1654, Milford, New Haven County, CT , d. Aft 1689, Milford, New Haven County, CT
7. Thomas Cooley, b. 20 Apr 1657, Milford, New Haven County, CT , d. 6 Feb 1703

Erica Howton and Fay Elizabeth Baldwin we did not change anything here. I'm confused, though -- haven't we always called your 8th great grandparent's sister your 9th great aunt? What were you expecting / what did you see before?

Beats me....I was just answering the question.....

Alice.....I already sent the URL for Sarah Coley m. Joseph Baldwin; she being dau. of Benjamin Coley.

I checked it out....my 2nd great grandfather's brother is my 3rd great uncle...

Guess that's how it works....

Everything is as it should be...

Thanks Fay.

I'm finding it confusing that persons on the same generational level would have a different number of relationship steps to me, but I don't have the correct answer and Mr Google is serving me up "fun calculators" instead of math charts.

http://apps.nolanlawson.com/relatedness-calculator/index?q=great-gr...

Related ness calculator

http://www.genealogy-quest.com/glossaries/latin.html

Latin terms

Faye - for the tree corrections needed would you be able to mail the curators involved for their action?

Fay - Baldwin & Savage differ on the father of the Sarah Coley who married Joseph Baldwin.

See http://www.genealogy.com/users/p/o/p/Sandra-Popiel/FILE/4354text.txt

I would take Susan Emma Woodruff Abbott's Families of Early Milford, Connecticut (online) and CC Baldwin over Savage for any Milford family.

Abbott relies upon vital statistics from the towns and churches and sources like Baldwin.

I will check Susan Abbott on Sarah Coley's father.

Remember that your grandmother's sister is your GREAT aunt and your great grandmother's sister is your GG aunt.

Father of Sarah Coley is Benjamin.

Both the profiles of Abilene and Jeptha need to be unlocked and updated per the into from Find a grave....she died 1811....his dates are also off (and I believe place of birth or death).

About "I'm finding it confusing that persons on the same generational level would have a different number of relationship steps to me":

It can be totally normal.

I have yet to walk through your tree in more détails, but just for the sake of discussion, here is an example applying to me:

I have an ancestor, Louise Gagné, who is related to me via three branches:

* Branch 1 : Mario > f > f > m > f > f > m > f > m > m > Louise
* Branch 2 : Mario > f > f > m > f > m > f > f > f > m > Louise
* Branch 3 : Mario > f > f > m > m > m > f > m > m > Louise

(f=father; m=mother)

(source: http://www.geni.com/projects/Mes-Pionniers-%C3%89dition-Mario-Morel...)

With branches 1 and 2, Louise is my 7th great grandmother.

With branch 3, she is my 6th great grandmother.

When there are many branches that connect one accestor to an individual, this means that there has been marriages between cousins (of whichever degree).

After I dug further, I found that branches 1 and 2 show that my 2nd great grandparents were 4rd cousins.

And branches 2 and 3 show that my great grandfather married his 4th cousin once removed.

Now, in a tree like that, there will be all sorts of combinations between generation levels and relationship steps with your great uncles, great aunt, great parents etc.

When Geni shows you the relationship path in the "yellow" area, then Geni has to pick one of the many branches. And I believe that the algorythm that Geni uses to pick which one is not quite yet optimized. I have seen very bizzare and funny scenarios where I had two ancestors, one the child of the other, yet both were my 9th great grandfathers, according to Geni.

So, don't worry. I don't think there is anything wrong with your data. It is just that among the different branches you are studying, there are marriages between remote cousins. (Something that is very common throughout the Big Tree.)

Sometimes NOT remote....1st cousin and 2nd cousin marriages were not uncommon. By the mod 1800'2 you can often see a disclaimer on the marriage certif where they had to state they were not closer than 2nd cousins.

Just to expand on my 6:02 pm post, about the funny behaviour of Geni in selecting a branch among interconnected branches.

When you find a section of your tree with interconnected branches, just start with your profile and walk up the tree following one of such branch. When you get to the interconnected parts (that is, the part of your tree where many branches lead to the same people), just observe very carefully the relationship path that Geni gives you in the yellow area.

You will see that, sometime, the path changes completely. In one extreme case of this, as I was walking up my tree on my father side, suddently, I found myself on my mother side.

The joy of genealogy.

More on Abilene Cooley:

Source: http://www.geneal.net/811.htm
BOOKS
Rev Mr Clark's Centennial Discourse: "Japhet (Chapin) was married the precedingJuly (1664) to Abilene, daughter of Samuel Cooley of Milford. After remaining a few years in the village of Springfield, the two brothers removed to this northern section of the town..."

The Chapin Genealogy, Orange Chapin, Northampton Mass, Metcalf & Co, 1862, viii 368p, 23.5cm, 9-7667, CS71.C462 1862a: "Containing a very large proportion of the descendants of Dea. Samuel Chapin, who settled in Springfield, Mass in 1642. Collected and comp. by Orange Chapin.
p2: "First Generation.
I. Dea. Samuel Chapin came with his family to reside in Springfield in 1642. It would rather appear that he resided in this country considerable time, perhaps eight or ten years before he came to Springfield, and perhaps the greater part of his children were born in this country, but no record has been found of the birth of but one- the youngest, and we do not find any record of but one of his sons taking the freeman's oath. David, his son, was made a freeman in Springfield, 5th day 2d month, 1649. He is supposed to be the progenitor of all who bear the name in this country, and I have not found one of the name who could trace their lineage to any other source...Samuel Chapin died Nov. 11, 1675, age not known. His wife's name was Cisily, maiden name not known [Penney]. Mrs Cisily Chapin died Feb. 8, 1683, age not known. Children-
"Japhet, b. 1642; d. Feb. 20, 1712, ae.70...
"Japhet and Henry had families in the north part of Springfield (now Chicopee)..."

The Chapin Book of Genealogical Data, With Brief Biographical Sketches of the Descendants of Deacon Samuel Chapin, Gilbert Warren Chapin, Vol I, Chapin Family Association, Hartford Connecticut, 1924
pXI. "Immediate Family ofDeacon Samuel Chapin...
Children: CHAPIN Japhet bapt. Oct. 15, 1642. d. Feb. 20, 1712, Springfield..."
pXI: "The time of arrival of the family in Roxbury, Mass., is supposed to be 1635, and no evidence is found to prove that date inerror, and that five children came with their parents. The conclusion is that Henry and Josiah were born between 1630 and 1635, and as Henry is mentioned first it is supposed that he was the elder of the two. Japhet was born in Roxbury and Hannah in Springfield, Mass..."