Almaric Le Despencer - ==Ancestors & Descendants ==

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2/26/2014 at 1:54 PM

==Ancestors & Descendants ==

Not sure if this is correct or not but found - I have linked some of the profiles on GENI as food for thought and to show where some of the information has been gleaned form or copied from

1''' [Amaury Raoul d'Arbitot Amaury Raoul d'Arbetot] born about 1056 Lincolnshire, England died after 1096'''
* father: unknown
* mother: unknown
* spouse: unknown

children:
* '''Robert d'Arbetot (Abbetot) Despencer born about 1070? Lincolnshire, England'''
http://www.mathematical.com/arbetotamaury1056.html

2 [Robert le Despenser Robert d'Arbetot (Abbetot) Despencer] born about 1070? Lincolnshire, England
* father: Amaury Raoul d'Arbetot born about 1056 Lincolnshire, England died after 1096
* mother: unknown
* spouse: wife of Robert d'Arbetot (Abbetot) Despencer

children:
* Robert le Despencer born Lincolnshire, England
* [Urse / Urso d'Abetot / d'Arbetot, Sheriff of Worcester Urse or Urso d'Arbitot] born 1090 married Adeline wife of Urso d'Arbitot born about 1090? Derbyshire, England born about 1070? Lincolnshire, England
* '''William Talvas Montgomery Despencer born 1100 Elington, Lincolnshire, England'''

http://www.mathematical.com/despencerrobert1094.html

3 [Guillaume III "Talvas" de Bellême, comte de Ponthieu et d'Alencon William Talvas Montgomery Despencer] born 1100 Elington, Lincolnshire, England
* Father: Robert d'Arbetot (Abbetot) Despencerborn 1070? Lincolnshire, England
* mother: unknown
* spouse: Alix Ala de Burgundy born about 1102/03 died before 1150

children:
* Richard le Despencer born 1120 Elington, Lincolnshire, England
* '''Thurston le Despencer born about 1122 London, Middlesex, England'''

http://www.mathematical.com/despencerwilliam1100.html

4 [Thurstan le Despencer, Steward to Henry I Thurston le Despencer] born about 1122 London, Middlesex, England
* father: William Talvas Montgomery Despencer born 1100 Elington, Lincolnshire, England
* mother: Alix Ala de Bourgogne born about 1103 died before 1150
* spouse: unknown

children:
* [Sir Geoffrey le Despenser of Elington Galfridus (Geoffrey) le Despencer] born about 1155 Defford, Worcestershire, England died 1251
* '''Hugh Despencer born about 1152 Ryhale, Rutland, England died 1199'''
* [Walter le Despenser Walter Despencer] born about 1148 Stanley, Lincolnshire, England
* [Amaury le Despenser, Regis Almaric Despencer] born about 1150 Ryhale, Rutlandshire or Stanley, Gloucestershire, England died after 1189

http://www.mathematical.com/despencerthurston1122.html

5 [Hugh Regis le Despenser Hugh Despencer] born about 1152 Ryhale, Rutland, England died 1199
* father: Thurston le Despencer born about 1122 London, Middlesex, England
* mother: unknown
* spouse: unknown

children:
*'''Thomas Despencer born about 1169 Elington, Lincolnshire, England'''

http://www.mathematical.com/despencerhugh1152.html

6 [Thomas le Despenser, of Elington Thomas Despencer] born about 1169 Elington, Lincolnshire, England
* father: Hugh Despencer born about 1152 Ryhale, Rutland, England died 1199
* mother: unknown
* spouse: *Rohese wife of Thomas Despencer

children:
* [Sir Hugh le Despencer I Hugh le Despencer] born about 1197 Ryhall, Rutlandshire, England died 23 February 1238
'''*[Thomas le Despenser, Lord of Arnesby Thomas le Despencer] born about 1195 Leicestershire, England died 1218'''
* [Muriel le Despencer Muriel le Despencer] born about 1181 Cheshire, England
* Galfridus (Geoffrey) le Despencer born about 1185 Defford, Worcestershire, England
* christened Martley, Worcestershire, England died 1242
* [Rohesia le Despencer Rohesia le Despencer] born about 1180 Ryhale, Rutlandshire died Seagrave, Leicestershire, England

http://www.mathematical.com/despencerthomas1169.html

5/11/2014 at 5:40 AM

I can find no reliable sources connecting this profile, Amaury Raoul d'Arbitot (d'Abbetot, as husband or partner to Agnes de Ponthieu who has however been identified as wife of Robert de Montgomery, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury and daughter of Guy I, Comte de Ponthieu and the curator alerts us to her NOT being married to Robert d'Arbetot Despencer but to Robert of Bellême.

I propose that she be disconnected from this erroneous husband. There seems to be scant evidence of some further connections up this tree as well and little information in the overviews to support such connections.

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5/11/2014 at 7:35 AM

Mathematical.com relies much too heavily on tertiary sources. Sometimes they're the only game in town, but if you can find primary sources (contemporary accounts and records), or a good secondary source that includes relevant excerpts from primary sources, you're on much safer ground.

They can be found in surprising places, like (secondary) accounts that trace the ownership of land. And who would expect something with a title like "An Essay towards a Topographical History of the County of Norfolk" to be chock-full of genealogical information?

5/11/2014 at 2:20 PM

You're quite right Maven - sources will often come from a relevant place albeit a small out of the way village.

Some places which are now just small insignificant places in history were far more important.

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