Is there such a thing as a descent from King David?

HI Eric יחזקאל Mack, I'm not too, nor recent close jewish ancestors. If i"m one of the million descendents of King David certainly you must be to, even much closer. Try from this links:

King David / דוד המלך . is your 91st great grandfather King David of Israel http://www.geni.com/people/King-David-%D7%93%D7%95%D7%93-%D7%94%D7%...

King Solomon / שלמה המלך is your 90th great grandfather King Solomon

King David / דוד המלך . is your 74th great grandfather King David of Israel

King Solomon / שלמה המלך is your 73rd great grandfather King Solomon

Hey, is that $99 genetics test worth it?

Private User, Geni says King David is you're 96th great grandfather: http://geni.com/DDJq3

Sharon, most people who've had a DNA test think the tests are well worth the money. It can get complicated, however. Start by looking at this project: http://www.geni.com/projects/DNA-Testing-Choosing-a-test/10529

If you have any questions, start a message thread there and we'll do our best to help you.

Regarding the http://geni.com/DDJq3 path - there is a problem that I have been discussing with others in a personal message thread.

Three lines from the bottom of the path, it has Jehoram, 5th King of Judah as the great grandfather of Josiah ., 15th King of Judah through a female line. But through the male line, nine generations separate them. The female route is a "shortcut" that would seem to be invalid.

Other paths referenced in this discussion have the same issue.

I think that's been pointed out a number of times already. I'm sure Shmuel will fix it when he gets time. I looked at it a few days ago, but I don't want to mess with the Biblical tree.

in my tree there are 110 steps to david hamelel/

If King David existed and had a continuous descent down to the modern day, then there is a descent from King David.

Whether or not any individual person can know if he is a descendent of King David depends on the accuracy of the records over the course of 3000+ years.

Jewish tradition is to be very concerned about who the father is.
For example, after the rebuilding of the temple (after the return from the exile under Ezra and Nehamiah) the Levites said one could not serve as a priest unless they could prove their genealogy was related to the line of Aaron. They had to be Levites. The records were precise up to that point. King David was prior to the exile. The Sumarian tablets at Ebla, and other records, also show a record that King David existed. (not just the Bible). Also, Jesus had to prove his genealogy back to King David (gospel of Matthew-traced to Abraham). What has happened with records after this, if they followed a tradition of accurate record keeping, we are good. And we all know how important tradition is to the Jewish community.

Between King David and his seven wives, plus his son King Solomon's harem of a thousand, bloodline descendants must proliferate throughout the world and in all cultures.

. . . "1 Kings 11:1 Now king Solomon loved many foreign women . . . And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines."

However, to look at Rabbinic sources via Jewish Gen read Page 1 - 4

. . . http://www.jewishgen.org/rabbinic/journal/kdavid.htm

Yes there is. My wife's family has a family tree linking her maternal side up to RASHI up to Yochanan HaSandlar, both of whom were direct descendants of King David.

@ O Rei David, existiu mesmo. como o Templo de Salomão, a Arca da Aliança, que desapareceu miraculosamente, etc.
Jesus Cristo, é descendente da Casa de David, dos Reis da Judeia.
Agostinho.

Some of this days, perhaps tomorrow, we may find remains belong to King David. Or to any other biblical figure, with dark complexion and... blue eyes !
In 1991..."a 5,300 year old Neolithic man was discovered by hikers during the summer snowmelt in the Austrian Alp" : http://wilderdom.com/evolution/OtziIcemanAlpsPictures.htm
Now..."an ancient hunter-gatherer whose remains were found in a Spanish cave has a genome surprisingly similar to modern humans. The male, who lived 7000 years ago, had blue eyes and a host of immunity genes that were thought to have evolved later": http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24940-ancient-european-hunter...

of course there is no proof that all the people who claim to be are real descendente from king david but there is a tradition that that the descentens o f rashi are thrue R' Yochanan hasandlar-the tana come from king david

v al malchut beit david meshichecha

paternal maternal genealogy cant be separate it just a idea create for power am not talkin about religions here in those word
we living in all a diferent world than our ancestor better knowlege freedom to learn .fear is not all day feelings

in those period of time its was like that paternal genealogy was the ruling maybe before that time maternal genealogy was the rules

we are all related all is possible
King David / דוד המלך . is your 90th great grandfather
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The question is whether we can come up with some sort of provable line. None of the people who worked on this before had the power of a tool like Geni and the resources of millions of collaborating genealogists.

There's an entire website devoted to this which seems genuine to me and from my cursory reading of it awhile ago, I remember that there were only a couple of families that there was any hope of tracing.

http://www.davidicdynasty.org

This may be what I saw but I thought there was another one.

King david was my 90th ggf before geni came along

Hatte, the Davidic Dynasty website has some good information but I'm very reluctant to trust it. In many places it relies on the work of David Hughes, a very quirky source. He accepts a lot of fantasy lines from Jesus to Europe's royal families, for example.

Randy, despite the power of Geni to improve and focus research the problem remains that people enter the same problematic lines over and over. If anyone finds a provable line it will be someone like Jaim Harlow, who has the right background to read and analyze original sources for the Exilarchs.

Right. Haim is working on it, trying to focus on one or two lines that Geni generates (shortest path). There's lots of guesswork all over the Jewish tree, not only in the earliest times. For example, there's a dispute (dating back 100 years) on whether the father of my 7g-grandmother Rahel was really Salman Austerlitz. See Rachel Levia Helene Pressburg (Freistadt) She's my connection back to the Horowitz line. But still, it's fun to try this.

One hunch I have is that until recently none of the knowledgeable people trying to prove Davidic descent cared about daughters, so they may have ignored provable links through women. We'll see if that pans out.

Justin you know that I am strongly in disagreement with you and Jaim Harlow about the missed identity between Makhir Natronai ben Hakhinai (Aimery de Narbonne) and Thierry I, count of Autun

@Thierry I, count of Autun

and the Y-DNA test, interpolated on statistic basis between Geni members and FTDNA tests of the same members, will told to all of us the truth.

I agree with Justin. This is very very esoteric material, not like finding sources for even pre-Revolutionary American genealogy :) I spent several years studying Hebrew and Arabic in Israel and taking Semitic linguistics and pre-Islamic Arabic. And working in Afroasiastic comparative (historical) linguistics. I know a lot about the languages and how they changed over time. That was decades ago. I am regardless absolutely not qualified to work with rabbinic genealogies and certainly not with really ancient sources about various lines.

Randy Schoenberg how much is there actually in the sources for females? I haven't seen it. Maybe recently but not further back with the exceptions of really famous rabbi's daughters marrying.

The rabbis are always marrying the daughters of other rabbis, so there could be quite a bit

Paolo, you don't disagree with me, you disagree with scholars working in this field.

There is no ancient tradition that says Thierry was a Jewish prince. That is a modern theory developed by one scholar, then immediately rejected by every other scholar.

In 1972 Prof. Arthur Zuckerman wrote a book (A Jewish Princedom in Feudal France, 768-900). In one part of the book he argued that Makhir was the same person as Natronai ben Habibi, so Makhir was a Jewish prince and a descendant of David. Then he argued that Makhir was the man called Maghario, count of Narbonne, and that Maghario was the same person as the fictional Thierry, count of Narbone, and Thierry was the same person as Theuderic, the the real life father of William, count of Toulouse, whose descendants we know.

There are many problems with this chain of identifications. The biggest problem is that it's all speculative.

Nat Taylor published an article in The American Genealogist (1997) giving his detailed objections:

http://www.nltaylor.net/pdfs/a_Makhir.pdf

Maybe someone will find new evidence, but for now it's just a modern theory that didn't work out.

1. Rabbi Yochanan HaSandlar The Rashi line via Luria Family

2. Meshulam Kalonymos Hagadol The Kalonymus Exilarch line which Jaim is researching.

3. Machir Todros ben Yehudah Zakai Exilarch Makhir married into Kalonymus family.

My mother's family is the biderman-lelov family, and they have a tradition of coming from Rashi wich through Rabi Yochanan Hasandlar is descended from king David. But so many other familys

I knew I'd seen an excellent blog post on this subject not long ago. Took me awhile to find it:

http://patentlyjewish.com/unbroken-chain-direct-link-from-sinai/

This blog ( http://patentlyjewish.com/unbroken-chain-direct-link-from-sinai/ ) is indeed excellent ! wonder how real is this supposedly proven chain there... anyway it shows how important role GENi plays in this research with crowd sourcing !