Khadijah-al-Kubra-r-a - is 1st wife , and, is Mother of The Believers

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4/20/2013 at 7:57 PM

Saidatina Khadijah bint Khuwaylid

(not, the 3rd wife)

This should be corrected

Thank You
Susan

4/21/2013 at 8:46 AM

Hello, Susan. I'm not sure what correction you are requesting. From all sources, Khadijah was Muhammed's 1st wife. Are you saying she was the third? Or are you saying that somewhere on the profile Geni says she was the 3rd, which is incorrect? If so, could you point out specifically where the error is?

Thanks,

Pam

4/21/2013 at 9:50 AM

I also looked. There is a duplicate profile but the one you linked to is listed as the first wife in the About Me and perhaps there is no order in the profiles.

Don't go by what you see in the tree, it's what is explicitly put into the profile under the relationships tab. If nothing is put there, weird things happen.

We really don't want to mess with Muhammad. The curator Rehan needs to do that.

4/21/2013 at 5:31 PM

on the main discussion, i put her full name
- she should be titled
... Mother of Islam, The 1st Mother of The Believers
- apparently, some say it is correct to call all of them
"mother of the believers' - albeit, just one is called that
-so, either all of them, should have that added
-and, this one, should be more clearly indicated as:
Mother of Islam, The 1st Mother of The Believers
(as, it stands, it looks like the other one, is the only mother of the believers)

4/21/2013 at 10:55 PM

I added 1st Mother of The Believers to her display name since Justin has Mother of the Believers as part of the display name of another wife of Muhammed.

4/21/2013 at 11:04 PM

I think that's a good way to do it, Pam, although I'm not the one who made the choice or did that. They're all Mothers of the Believers, but I'm more comfortable letting Islamic users suggest and make changes.

4/22/2013 at 12:42 PM

That's a good one.. Muhammed my 35th (only?) grandfather...

4/22/2013 at 12:45 PM

Great grandfather, actually, although at this point one more or less generation doesn't make a lot of difference.

11/20/2014 at 11:10 AM

It seems someone changed some lineages here:
it used to be:
Susan Lynne Schwenger
You

Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
your mother

JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
her father

JAMES HANDY
his father

Marian Ruthven - Handy
his mother

ALEXANDER RUTHVEN
her father

ROBERT RUTHVEN
his father

JOHN RUTHVEN
his father

JOHN RUTHVEN
his father

John Ruthven
his father

George Ruthven
his father

William Ruthven
his father

William Ruthven
his father

Sir William Ruthven
his father

William Ruthven, 2nd Lord of Ruthven
his father

Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven
his mother

Elisabeth Stewart, Countess of Argyll
her mother

John Stewart, 1st Earl of Atholl
her father

Joan Beaufort, Queen consort of Scots
his mother

Margaret Beaufort, Countess of Somerset
her mother

Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent
her father

Joan of Kent, Countess of Kent
his mother

Margaret Wake, 3rd Baroness Wake of Liddell
her mother

Joan de Fiennes
her mother

Blanche de Brienne
her mother

Jean de Brienne, Grand Butler of France
her father

Jean de Brienne, King of Jerusalem
his father

Agnès de Montfaucon
his mother

Béatrice of Grandson-Joinville
her mother

Roger, seigneur de Joinville
her father

Geoffroi II de Joinville, Count of Joigny
his father

Geoffroi I, Lord of Joinville
his father

Étienne de Joinville, Lord of Vaux
his father

Agnès de Jumièges
his mother

Eustache, comte de Jumièges
her father

Agnès de Razès
his mother

Sigebert VII, Count of Razès
her father

Bera VI the Architect, Count of Razès
his father

Arnaud I, Count of Razès
his father

Guillaume III, Count of Razès
his father

Guilhelm II, Count of Razès
his father

Siegbert VI, Count of Razès
his father

Hildéric I, comte de Razès
his father

Bera V, comte de Razès
his father

Argila, comte de Razès
his father

Bera IV, comte de Razès
his father

Susu bint Uthman
his mother

Uthman Emir de Cordoba ibn Abu Musa
her father

Umm al-Umayyah
his mother

Aisha bint 'Uthman ibn 'Affan al Umayyah
her mother

Ruqayyah bint Muhammad
her mother

Prophet Muhammad of Islam (PBUH)
her father, is your 49th great grandfather
Khadijah al-Kubra (r.a.) 1st Mother of the Believers
her mother, is your 49th great grandmother

Is there a reason someone has modified these profiles again ???
thanks; susan

11/21/2014 at 8:05 PM

The current lineage seems to take you through the mother of Étienne de Joinville, seigneur de Vaux (Agnès de Jumièges) rather than his father Hugues II. Each of likely has many lines back through these medieval families, and Geni's algorithm just chooses one. As more information gets added or the tree grows, sometimes, Geni's pathway shifts.

11/21/2014 at 8:12 PM

I wrote a message yesterday and it posted, but now seems to be gone.

Much of what is published about the counts of Razès, their ancestry and their descendants is fictitious.

There are no verified descents from Muhammed into medieval European royalty. Some interesting possibilities, but nothing proved.

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