Sigrid Aunsdotter (Queen of Denmark) - daughter born before father

Do you want to "correct" the years if they exist in any records ? If not, we have to write a probable year.

Of course we must correct the year. If anyone have sourses...write them.
Paul Westerlund

I don;t think that Aun bacame 84 years old, it is not logical in that year of time.
Maybe his death year also is wrong or Sigrid Aunsdotter birth. Hope someone wise can give sourses and right time.

Well, read the saga on why he was called "den gamle" (the old)...

Anyhow, - just ignore all birth and death years in those lines, - they are just fabricated by people who insist on having dates attached to these saga people.

Don't spoil the fun now. The sourcing here is about to get creative, as we all put on our robes and tin foil hats.

Björn what do you mean? Have these peoples not exist? Are you an expert in Swedish histori?

Bjørn only talk about the years of birth, not if the peoples has lived/existed. Of course they has lived on the earth.

If you read the sagas you will never find any references to dates, only relationships where we also know that "son of xyz" not necessarily means a direct son, only a direct relationship line.

Saga means farytale in Swedish.

Maybe Paul Westerlund care to correct the years of birth ?

Paul, -Nothing in this discussion is in Swedish and I am sure that there are several words here which have a totally different meaning in other languages. Who cares?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga

Thank you Arnfred but no, I see Björns meaning. Maybe somebody professional in history can give answer. Is it anybody out there?

Back to King Aun "The Aged" Jörundsson of Uppsala, - some of the sagas tells that he was over 200 years when he died (explaining the name "den gamle" - "the old") by getting an extended lifetime by the sacrifice of a son to Odin. He was finally stopped from killing his last son Egil and dies.

I don't think you will find professional historians who will dare to estimate any dates based on that history ;-)

Me neither, but maybe closer than amatores like us do. I do think that they can give an aproximate year of birth insted of that the daughter is born before his father.

I'm not sure fairytale is a good translation for saga. Sagas are a particular kind of literature. The word saga is related to the English verb "to say". Sagas are stories, true or false. Some people like to guess dates when there is no evidence. A historian will ignore them. If people have different guesses, how do you decide which one is right?

As allways, by using a time machine...... :-)

Very funny Remi.
I believe the correct approach is to write an academic paper, have it peer reviewed by someone who agrees with you and then get it printed in any obscure publication that will accept it.
Once in print everyone will happily quote it as a reputable secondary source!
:-)

That is unfortunately a general problem in the world: When something is written in a book it has to be the truth!

Reed about Aun (the old) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aun . In this stub of a story it is refered to legends/myths (also called saga).

The mounds in Gamla Uppsala where possibel Aun is buried are from 5th century AD. Therefore I think Aun is born about the year of 500 AD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamla_Uppsala . Let us write birthyear for Aun ca 500 and his daughter is born ca 550 in the "ancestrytree" for these people. I do not think we comes closer in this case ever, either we argue a whole year or not.

Arnfred Nilsen

To be precise, the Aun article on Wikipedia refers to Snorri's Ynglingasaga (~1225), Islendigabok (1200s) and Historia Norwegiæ (possibly 1200s) - three specific manuscripts. I like that level of precision!

Today I did a "correction" of the birthyears for Aun and his wife and his daughter. The rest of corrections is up to you people!

But you did not dare to adjust the dates to make him over 200 years when he died? ;-)
As Harald refers: Aun is mentioned in several sagas which differs. Having a single profile of him have to be a compromise of those sagas.

No, I do not made him 200 years old. 90 years old is enough for me.