John Savage, 1st Earl Rivers - Was John Savage Really 1st Earl Rivers?

Started by Terry Jackson (Switzer) on Sunday, May 6, 2012
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5/6/2012 at 3:49 PM

I wonder if John Savage was really 1st Earl Rivers. If he was then either there must have been a gap between Richard Woodville, 1st Earl Rivers & Anthony Woodville, 2nd Earl Rivers who were 1st and 2nd Earls Rivers or there is an error somewhere. I have a book about Margaret of York which mentions Lord Rivers and is obviously referring to 2nd Earl Anthony Woodville. I wonder if we have a confusion of Earls and Lords.

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5/6/2012 at 4:06 PM

I have found the answer to my own question in Wikipedia
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search Earl Rivers was an English title held in succession by the families of Woodville or Wydeville, Darcy and Savage. The first creation was made for Richard Woodville, 1st Baron Rivers in 1466 and remained in this family until 1491. As borne by the Woodvilles the title was not derived from the name of a place, but from an ancient family name, Redvers, or Reviers, members of this family, whose arms are quartered on the Rivers shield, having been sometime Earls of Devon.

The second creation was made in 1626 for Thomas Darcy, 1st Viscount Colchester, who had succeeded as 3rd Baron Darcy of Chiche (created in 1551). In 1613, a reversion of the barony was granted to Sir Thomas Savage, Bt (created Viscount Savage in 1626 and son-in-law of Darcy); this creation and the earldom both had a remainder to Darcy's heirs male of his body, with remainder to Savage and the heirs male of his body. Savage's son John succeeded to the Savage baronetcy and viscouncy in 1635. In 1640 on the death of the 1st Earl, John succeeded to the 1613 reversion of the Darcy of Chiche barony, the Colchester viscountcy and the Rivers earldom; the 1551 creation of the Darcy of Chiche barony became extinct. The earldom and the subsidiary titles became extinct when John Savage, 5th Earl Rivers, died in 1737.

Elizabeth, Viscountess Savage, wife of Thomas, 1st Viscount Savage, daughter of the 1st Earl Rivers and mother of the 2nd Earl, was created Countess Rivers in her own right in 1641. This title was for life only, and became extinct at her death in 1650.

A new Rivers barony, held by the family of Pitt and its later representative, that of Pitt-Rivers, was in existence from 1776 to 1880.

Contents [hide]
1 Earls Rivers, first Creation (1466)
2 Earls Rivers, second Creation (1626)
3 Earl Rivers, third Creation (1641)
4 References

[edit] Earls Rivers, first Creation (1466)also Baron Rivers (England, 1448)
Richard Woodville, 1st Earl Rivers (1405–1469)
Anthony Woodville, 2nd Earl Rivers (c. 1440–1483)
Richard Woodville, 3rd Earl Rivers (died 1491)
[edit] Earls Rivers, second Creation (1626)Thomas Darcy, 1st Earl Rivers (1565–1640)
also Viscount Colchester (England, 1621); Baron Darcy of Chiche (England, 1551); Baron Darcy of Chiche (England, 1613)
John Savage, 2nd Earl Rivers (c. 1603–1654)
also Viscount Colchester (England, 1621); Viscount Savage (England, 1626); Baron Darcy of Chiche (England, 1613); Baronets, of Rocksavage (England, 1611)
Thomas Savage, 3rd Earl Rivers (c. 1628–1694)
Richard Savage, 4th Earl Rivers (c. 1654–1712)
John Savage, 5th Earl Rivers (1665–1737)
[edit] Earl Rivers, third Creation (1641)Elizabeth Savage, Countess Rivers (1581–1650)
[edit] References This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Chisholm, Hugh, ed. (1911). Encyclopædia Britannica (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press.
"Rivers, Earl (E, 1626 - 1737)". Cracroft's Peerage. http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/content/Rivers1626.htm. Retrieved 5 February 2011.

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